When a dealership employee repeats the phrase, "We are not in the business of selling junk cars", Every other sentence it makes you wonder..I guess it was the fact that he (Greg Wilret) lied about paying $150 for getting his car detailed during the initial sit down then later stating that "Even I don't get deals on getting my car detailed here" (Which I made him (Greg) aware he was contradicting himself) made me pay much closer attention to what else was coming out of his mouth! So lets talk about the Vehicle I was "Interested" in. I was looking at a Used 2008 Chrysler Town & Country. Online this car looked Great, it was a 7 year newer and upgraded version of what I currently own. When I made it through the meet and great everything was great. It was when I seen the car in person that I was not impressed! Let me start off by saying I consider myself knowledgeable about cars both Mechanically and as a Detail-er of 4 years for all the dealerships on Hwy 61 (White Bear Auto Care, when it was owned by the Robert Lee). So when I was able to see the car in real life I noticed first and foremost the tires were balding in the front (Tie rods??) I moved on looking around the vehicle noticing some rear end and front end damage commonly associated with being rear ended and pushed into something! Again I moved on to the sides of the car (Still exterior) and noticed some more physical damage as if it was run over a curb (I then asked if the vehicle was in an accident and there was no certainty there but I am sure a "No" was produced). I then began my initial first glance at the interior, noticing this vehicle was more than likely used and abused as a Currier Vehicle from the "Tell Tale" signs throughout (I could be wrong) but moving along I could tell that the Vehicle was Very Poorly cleaned. I am highly allergic to dog's and there was so much dog hair around the sides of the seats and under the seats I was wondering was this vehicle used as a "Pet Grooming Transport". This being a newer upgraded version from the 2001 (180,000 miles and still kicking at 17-22mpgs) I was unclear on how the two rear captains chairs operated ( as it looked very similar to a "Stow & Go" option). Apparently my sales guy Greg Wilret had NO CLUE either. So as I watched Greg try and explain what they were (After about 4 min of fumbling around) he managed to disengage the seat entirely, exposing a dog choker chain and a lot more enjoyable dog hair!! He then realized that the seats only swiveled not stowed we moved along pretty quickly from that point to the test drive. I again looked passed all of this as it is a "USED Vehicle". It felt like I was driving a Pontoon Boat on dry land, The suspension was obviously gone and with the bald tires I could only help but think how dangerous the vehicle would be in poor driving conditions. I simple over steering would probably cause the vehicle to lose control. My wife and I have 4 children all under 10, so their safety trumps a "Great Price"....Safety First!! I AGAIN was able to look past that and we made it back to the dealership were the "Uncomfortable Conversation Started", I wanted to get out of the van and process everything that I have just experienced. But Greg my Sales guy was already in Salesman mode. Which turned out to be a GREAT thing. The longer the Van sat at an idle (As his HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS started) I could smell burning oil, between that and being trapped in a car trying to process everything was starting to make me very uncomfortable and annoyed. After about 10 min of Greg talking we finally pulled the Van back into the bay and I asked why he wasn't showing me any other vehicles that I was interested in. At this point I want to say that I was very forthright from the very first phone call to them that I did not have the best credit and I was a Army veteran living on 100% Disability and that due to my poor credit score I was ONLY inquiring about some vehicles and was not in a good position (At that time) to purchase. I was trying to make it as easy and straight forward as I could. I really needed another vehicle and did not want to waste anyone's time....With that said I had between $1500-$2000 Cash Money to put down and was concerned I would be unable to get financed as I stated above. Greg reassured me that "Auto Nation" does Millions of dollars in deals and I was in the right spot.
So as we make our way back inside AGAIN he sits me down at the table within the building like I was buying a time share (It felt like). He began to present me with a document stating that I was approved the Van. (I did not know I was applying for the Van, He went ahead without asking me or my wife ever being present both Verbally or Physically) I also never gave him any physical information to prove I was who I said I was or that I had any actually Money to put down. He then turned an already VERY UNCOMFORTABLE situation and Violating Experience into an Extreme last ditch effort to sell me the Van, making statements like "No one else will approve you if you don't but this van", "It was hard enough just getting you approved for this loan (19.99%)". I then said to Greg "Well I can put down $2500 if that helps the interest rate or help get me into a better car, one that doesn't have all the same damage and problems that my 2001 Chrysler Town & Country already had", His comment was "Oh you have $2500...I'll need the full $2500 ($2000 down was already approved on paper right in front of me)". He than began to explain why the price on the Internet varied from the price I was seeing on the Loan Documents. Which he stated that the (Detailing Department) charges $250 for a complete detail and that "Even I (Greg) DO NOT GET A DEAL AND I WORK HERE" (Choker Chain, Excessive amounts of dog hair when seats where moved). At that moment I decided to "CALL HIM OUT" and remind him that when he very first sat me down he said (After I told him I used to detail cars for a living so i'd be a little nit picky) that he stated he payed $150. He then began to talk over me to move things along never acknowledging his very contradicting statement. I felt like I was being held against my will and that he was verbally trapping me there. I could feel my anxiety and PTSD kicking in (Fight or Flight) I could feel my blood pressure rising the more and more he was desperately trying to force the Van on me. The store was closing in 45 min and I needed to PROCESS everything , Talk to the Wife and make a good decision for my FAMILY. After about another 15 min of Extreme Disrespect and Uncomfortable high pressure sales I just wanted to leave and put the whole experience behind me, he asked me to leave all my documents (Which he never seen at any point of all of this), I said NO. I am not sure why he ran my wife's credit and shopped for car loans without asking me or her if I actually had a Vehicle that I wanted to buy. My wife has NEVER spoken or physically given Greg Wilret ANY INFORMATION. Not sure if that's legal or not. I did give him all my information so I assume that gave him the right to do as he pleased as far as car loans go.
Although Greg told me very admittedly that I would not get approved ANYWHERE else and that the 19.99% loan and unclear intentions on obtaining the additional $500 Cash from me was the only option I had I chose to follow my gut and retain the Self Respect I have for myself and just WALKED AWAY.
I am very offended that he chose to lie to me and when given the chance to correct himself he chose to disrespect me and talk over me and try and pressure me into a sale I never wanted. I am also very upset that when I came to them from the very beginning as "Honest and Open" as I possibly could he chose to TRY and take advantage of me. As for the additional $500 he wanted from me. That is what I would call trying to swindle someone. I did try calling and talking to any type of Management in which I was transferred then transferred and with everything I have stated above be as true as I can recall from 3 weeks ago I wanted to say I was approved for a car with GMAC at a much lower interest rate with my initial $2,000 down payment being "More than enough".
I would advise people to be assertive and to never feel pressured to purchase anything from a dealership that does "Millions in deals", from what I have read about this service Manager and my experience I wonder how the GM really feels this Company is doing.. I will never buy a car here and I'd like to remind people there are plenty of Excellent Dealerships further south on Hwy 61.
I hope this information is useful to you as I will chalk it up as a learning experience.
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